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From: Peter Gerwinski
Subject: GPC newsgroup and announce list?
Date: 15 Mar 1999, 03:28:03

J. David Bryan wrote:
> 
> I am a newcomer to this list, but I have had extensive experience with 
> other lists (e.g., GNAT, Cygwin).  I will not post messages to lists that 
> have been gatewayed to Usenet, simply because each time that my real e-mail 
> address appears on Usenet, I receive a flood of spam that takes nearly a 
> year to taper off.  I willingly contribute to closed lists and enjoy the 
> high signal-to-noise ratio that such lists often have.  [...]

Okay, what about the following:  Let us create one separate list
that will be gated to Usenet and keep one closed.

For example:

  gpc-announce@gnu.de - moderated list for announcements
	   gpc@gnu.de - unmoderated list for discussions (as now)
      gpc-news@gnu.de - unmoderated list, gated to usenet

Everything posted to news:comp.lang.pascal.gnu is gated to
gpc-news@gnu.de and to gpc@gnu.de.  Spam can be sorted out
manually on the way from gpc-news to gpc.  Everything sent to
gpc-news@gnu.de becomes visible in Usenet; this does not hold
for gpc@gnu.de.  Everything sent to gpc-announce@gnu.de becomes
visible in all lists and the newsgroup, but the `From:' header
is that of the moderator.

I hope that I got it right and that everybody gets the picture.
:-)
> If the perceived problem is that GPC users are unaware of the mailing list, 
> I would suggest that the solution would be more prominent display of that 
> information, especially subscription information, in the accompanying 
> README files and on the GPC Web site.

That's already there.  For me the main advantage of a newsgroup
lies in the possibility just to look into it without the need
to subscribe in the first place.

> > However when thinking over this, I feel that _not_ opening a
> > mail/news gateway for this reason means kind of capitulation to
> > the spammers.
> 
> I would rather "capitulate" to them than be constantly annoyed by them.

Here we are entering a field where it is a matter of taste.
I think that two separate discussion lists, only one of which
is gated to Usenet, is a suitable compromise.  The details I
sketched above may be worked out differently, if someone has a
better idea.

> (And I don't agree that it is capitulation; it is accepting the reality of 
> the Internet.  Is it capitulation to our automotive society to look both 
> ways before crossing the street? :-)

(No, but it is capitulation to street rowdys to drive faster
than one feels secure because one has one of them in ones back.
The Right Thing[tm] to do is to sue them for being a danger to
everybody.;-)

Greetings,

    Peter

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